I had a good paying job, but if I had cancer, there was no way I was going to seek treatment. This may seem counterproductive, if youre trying to test recall ability, but remember that your candidates are likely applying for more than one job, and may also have a current job, and likely dozens of other things taking up space in their brain. I lived with my now-husband for years before we got married, and at one point relocated to the Bible Belt for a job. If OP2 and her roommate approach the whole thing as no big deal (because it isnt) then no one at work will care. I miss the one I was involved with because my crew was so wonderful, despite the reasons we left [bad ownership, yuck]. So will people who get their jollies keeping tabs on what others are doing. But if it turns out that youd rather bake bread, or travel, or spend time with your extended family, and thats a viable economic choice for you, then dont let some manufactured sense of duty keep you chained to your desk. Your employer will cope Im sure of it. I feel like OP would be better served asking interviewees what strategies they employ for recall or examples of how previous jobs required recall to do a job well. ), then everybody will follow your lead and just sort of shrug it off and not care. My short term memory is pretty limited, and some things never get moved from short term to long term. I have a column for other. If you just straightforwardly treat it like its not a big deal (and its not! Its common, its normal. I can however remember other things in very clear detail (as an example, ask me if I own a specific book and I will be able to tell you not only whether or not I do, but also which shelf it lives on, whether it is hard- or paperback, what sort of condition it is in, whether it is signed or otherwise unusual and what colour it is, and in most cases what the cover art is. No amount of talking with him would help him. or are there consistent elements across projects, meaningful to the projects, that its always important to pay attention to (for example its important to remember a clients affect when they assent to this part of our project were they hesitant or confident?). Definitely everyone has their own path! Surely you want to screen for people who can distinguish relevant from irrelevant information, and prioritize facts that pertain to their work? It taints everyone whos part of the management structure, to some degree or another.). Even if theyre able to have a notepad for the contract negotiations, it would be awkward taking notes during the customers social chat. In the U.S. (at least, to me) roommate means both things at the same time. Exactly this. Dont do that! In July of 2016, I was diagnosed with eye cancer. LW 5.I am so so sorry you are going through this. SORRY!!! This is a great question! One suggestion that you may wish to consider is to work with a grief counselor who specializes in helping people deal with a diagnosis like this. seemed to think that if he needed to walk out to the kitchen to get something at my house, that it was okay to do it in his underwear, which was not really how we roll at our house. I guess thats what I was hoping the OP could take out of my story that sometimes there just isnt a good middle ground between less info and more info in terms of making it easier to process. I hope readers will weigh in with suggestions for you to consider, and Im so sorry this is happening. If so, its possible theyre sitting in to observe and coach her behind the scenes (especially if concerns have been raised about how shes managing your team). Definitely depends on where you are and how people talk there. Remembering useful things is. for young adult professionals who werent dating to share a room? It should say that the job requires excellent attention to detail, and the ability to recall X, and that candidates can expect to be tested on this skill in the interview. He told everyone what was going on in broad terms, and we had a retirement party for him. I read OP 3s letter and immediately thought: you need written instructions, or a database, or a form to record information. I would be so unhappy if I knew a coworker was working while ill or missing precious time with loved ones to work on office projects. Should I have told someone? The firm was a monopoly, stable and at zero risk of going under. Do you care if they take notes on a tablet? As an aside do take time discuss your options and wishes with family and your healthcare providers now, even if you have an advance directive now is the time to make sure they know your wishes. Theres no problem to solve. Whether or not to focus on small details should depend on the work the candidate is to do in the future. People who are great at recall are usually good at figuring out what they will need to recall so they can weed out the extraneous information. I dont think we can take as given that OP is/isnt capable of leaving work earlier. I hate the overuse of the word toxic. No one would bat an eye at it, and Ive had folks on my team who were roommates before. Im detail oriented, but would fail this test. RE OP3, i have a learning disability plus some other mental issues that affect my working memory, which affects my ability to recall stuff that isnt written down. This may or may not be helpful, but: my former boss was diagnosed with Stage 4 breast cancer a few years ago. My housemates after college were all women, but that was chance I interviewed at a number of housing shares that were mixed sex and just happened to choose one that was all women, mostly for the very convenient location and charm of the old craftsman house. A coworker had a room open up in his house last year and I ended up moving in (Im female, if it matters). 8 Steps To Talk To Your Boss About A Toxic Coworker If you find yourself in the position of having to deal with a toxic coworker, there are some steps to talk to your boss about it: 1. In fact, they are the number one cause of wrongful convictions. Individual mileage may vary, a LOT, they told my mother 6 mos it was well over a year and a half. Like, I used to work in Unrelated Vaguely-Named Department as an Also Vague And Organization-Specific Role, and now I work with Niche Proprietary Internal Technology and in Department That Goes By An Unhelpful Acronym isnt going to stick on the first pass. Im sure Google can be your friend on that. (I did learn that apparently the universal response when woken up and told I think we have a burglar is OK, Ill put some trousers on . I kept working until the last few weeks at the time it was really important and helpful for me to have a relatively cancer-free space where I could get away from that part of my life. Congrats on the opportunity. In London as flats are more common than houses, my mind tends to select flatmate as the most suitable word for someone you share a living unit with but thats very much my personal perception as an individual British person living in London. They really need to lower the age in the screening guidelines. In fact, she should give you that context without you having to ask. Its quite reasonable for even someone with good recall of detail to sort of collapse From Scotland to Not from the US, explains the accent and was an interpretive dancer to some very atypical and interesting professional background. At my job Im good at remembering tiny details, but part of the reason Im good at it is knowing whats relevant and needed. I second Kelseys scripts. I tried early on to keep my cancer a secret, but people started noticing me loosing weight, hair, looking gray or pale, and missing work. Personally, I keep track of phone calls, meetings, and important conversations in my planner. You do you. A toxic coworker can be a nightmare to work with and affect your quality of life at work. Some of my closest friends are former coworkers who suffered together under a real tyrant of a boss. #5 I am so sorry for your situation. Im normally pretty good, but these days Im writing everything down and during an interview I would not remember very much. Sometimes Im rushed to give an answer immediately. Do whatever makes you happy. I cant guarantee youd *never* run into a coworker that finds platonic, opposite-sex housemates off-putting, but its a very minority opinion in expensive urban areas because just finding someone you get along with to the split the rent with is a challenge enough without eliminating half the population. My heart is really going out to you. I encourage you to schedule a bit more personal time that youre comfortable with in your schedule. I have a colleague like this, and while I would recommend him for stuff overall, I would definitely be able to speak to this problem if asked. In fact, a lot of the time, these systems provide rewards which are what keep people in them in the first place. As shed been leaving anyway shed handled her goodbyes to the families she was working with on that basis and I dont think they were told any different. So, yeah, thats a very long-winded way of saying: please dont do this. Usually to retain details, Id need to know from the get-go that its important, or else it has to be something I hear multiple times. I didnt look) in the living room. Physicist and author Richard Feinman told a story about how out of curiosity, he took an advanced course in biology, having had no real background in the field. I agree about expecting employees to recall may possibly be covering for processes that need updating. She is very young, early 40s and the entire 400 person company knew she had cancer and the basics of her treatment. I would instead ask the person to tell you about a project / initiative that they worked on in a past role (say, about 2 years back). Ive seen many people plan their own funeral/memorial services and almost all take great pride in doing that for their families and see it as a way to help their families with the grieving process (my elderly grandfather planned his own service and it was such a relief to my dad to know that we were honoring his fathers wishes in every way from his burial to the scriptures read at his service). But what can you do if the toxic person is your peer? Its healing and I didnt know I needed to hear that. The Brits are just mentioning that its a bit weird in British English because it sounds like theyre sharing a bedroom, and that theres a more accurate term, no pressure on anyone to use that term in the US. He assumed it was a personal call, when actually she was talking to a client. For us, the buffering worked great on the other end often people want to help but dont know how so we would pass suggestions through the Buffer and get her thanks or no-thanks through him. Because a lot of people take biology are pre-med, and if they had to look up how a cell or a blood vessel works every time they needed to access that knowledge a bunch of people would bleed to death waiting for them. Justnothing else was good. b) PUT IT IN THE JOB AD!!! The reason I mention this at all is that your coworkers are also going to be grieving, and while hopefully none of them are the needy type who will expect you to privilege caring for their feelings over your own, human nature being what it is, there is a possibility that at least one or two folks will be that self-centered and clueless. Its a very fictional setting not even as realistic as a dystopia and too weird to call scifi. Here's a handy go-to guide on the 7 types of toxic coworkers (and how to deal with them)! Children and non-spouse relatives never take on debt of deceased relatives. A friends husband recently died several years after a cancer diagnosis; neither of them sought out counseling because they didnt really want to think about it. Im in the Nordics, so Im not dependent on my employer for health insurance. Ive lived in NYC for almost 24 years. First, have an. If they keep mentioning a brother, it sticks, but I will rarely ask and especially in an interview situation this type of info never would strike me as something I will need to memorise or even pay attention to beyond the basics. Yeah, Ive been living with my best friend for 11 years now. All I could think about, and often still do think about, is how could I have missed her meaning in well, thats NOT going to happen to me again, NO WAY ILL ALLOW IT and what could I have done to help her at least not feel so alone? Perhaps you could dig into that during your interviews by asking candidates how they handled past projects and tasks, what organizational tools they use, how they maintain archival material, etc. Do whats right for you, OP 5. Rather than seeking candidates who can pass your memory test, it seems to me you would be better off with employees who have or are willing to develop a system for taking notes, saving them, consulting them, and using them as an aid in their work. My FIL did this his last couple of years (although at the time we didnt know he would pass so soon or suddenly). They will be first and foremost concerned with you and your wellbeing, and not your work. I have friends from a job of twenty years ago. I realise thats silly and unrelated to your question, but just thought Id say it nonetheless! Not in a creepy way, but so we can connect better with our clients. If your worry is because people might assume youre a couple, thats not a big deal either just say roommates and most people will get it. The guy didnt know Excel because he had almost NO computer experience. You will be required to know 46 formulas off the top of your head and remember the specific applications of an additional 103 formulas even if you dont use them much. However, other people can just up and decide that I dont process or recall because it doesnt look like what theyre expecting it to, especially in a short time frame with other added pressures to balance (like general interview stress about how Im coming off, having to read YOUR expressions to figure out how its going, trying to get enough of a feel from everything thats being said to decide if I want to work at the company, etc). He chose to tell us in a meeting as a group. That is not why you need to tell them. Asking how the person organizes themselves may be an important question. That may not be possible for them, because they may need the insurance or the extra money, and also doctors time ranges are educated guesswork based on statistics and probability. Also, men often run hot and might feel uncomfortably warm at normal thermostat settings. He happened to be a university lecturer and adored the job, really loved it, was brilliant at it, his students loved him and came for tutorials to the hospice where he ended up and all 100-odd came to the funeral, so obviously it was quite a vocational type of role, with a lot of personal emotional engagement. Its not the LWs job (in this case, at least) to justify why her job was toxic just that it was her experience. But thats completely a side issue and not what you wrote in about. I feel like the missing piece here is that you likely would still be on stable ground even if you WERE dating / living together romantically. Roommates means youre sharing an apartment or house its doesnt literally mean youre sharing a room. Most people zone out to some degree when a person starts droning on about themselves. I too am the go-to person for project history questions, even though its all in a database. LW2 did not specifically say that she is concerned that people will leap to the conclusion that she and her roommate are dating / entangled / more than friends and make related assumptions, did that seem to be the undertone and the reason to hide the living arrangements? In fact, if you arrived and didnt have a roommate, the first place people would suggest you ask around is among colleagues. Wait until youve had that time to process to tell anyone besides your closest confidants. Totally legit to want to tell some people and have others not know. If you dont want work to be part of your time now, and youre able to make that choice, you only owe your employer a standard resignation. It was what I needed in that moment. That said, we've come up with five tips for how to deal with a toxic coworker. But if youre secretive or uncomfortable about it, people might read more into it than there is. My heart aches every time I realize that has to be a factor in decisions for Americans. There he is in the wheelhouse with the master pilot, who points out stuff like the location of a sandbar or a sunken tree. I think indeed this is a good one to explain the what and the why and just ask directly instead of testing at the interview. The people who insist on making you a casserole you cant eat, or otherwise trying to help but not knowing how and wont accept no, please do not do this, I dont actually want anything as an answer. Ditto whether using notes is OK. Thirded. Although my managers turned out to be both incompetent and two-faced, I loved working with my colleagues and the company is a great one (apart from that mildly dysfunctional team). The normalcy of working may be great, or if you have the flexibility to do so, you might want to quit now. Making up a fake unit number is a really bad idea. Short term and long term memory are totally different things. Instead of. Thank them and move on. I put all the random things there that i need to remember: Dont call Bob on Thursdays. Please dont feel guilty for anything. Whats more important is the ability to synthesize written and drawn information from multiple sources and respond to questions about them on the spot, or know what documentation to look up in the event you dont have the details on hand. I love this anecdote and have used it with my supervisory team I am a big fan of stated expectations and requirements and helping people meet them. During an interview, Im generally so nervous that I would never remember that the interviewer was a Scottish interpretive dancer. Its often a lot easier to find a new residence once youre on the ground; youd know areas you like, youd know your budget, etc. Normally my memory is great but not when Im really nervous. To all three questions: It doesnt matter what Id want? One day we had lunch just the 2 of us and she mentioned on her own how tough the last year had been, that the doctors told her it looked like it was coming back and that more battles were a foregone conclusion given her genetics. On the few occasions hes come up in conversation Ive had a couple of people misunderstand housemate and assume I meant boyfriend, and then assume I have a boyfriend and get confused when I point out I dont. If you told your coworkers you had cancer, there are two aspects: I will second this. Its a large company, with wonderful benefits. Then hed talk to me about all the things Id need to prepare for, like not allow him to sign checks or do anything involving production. One thing my firm noticed was that because leaders at a certain level were predominantly men (its changing, but by one strata at a time), there was a lot of opportunity for women to feel less heard or like there may be bias there. Thank you for this, PVR. But obviously I wont know for sure unless it actually happens. In the scenario proposed, I dont think where the interviewer went to school seems relevant unless specifically told it will be, and even then it can backfire because the interviewee is focused on different things. This. Its remarkable to the point of ridiculousness as in, the second I leave the interview room, I completely blank on the people who just interviewed me. For the OP, I hope you can work something out with your employer and to do what you have to do in your current circumstances. I tell you all of this to tell you that if you have been given a deadline, SCREW WORK. if they can recall a project with a lot of detail, youll know they have a good memory. If someones life is so boring that they need to make up stuff about me, so be it. You just have to stop caring what others think and set boundaries if needed. Not everyone recalls the same way and the expectation that people can or should rely entirely on memory to recall information is an invitation to disaster: things are misremembered, parts of processes are left out, employees rework processes to suit their needs rather than following protocol, safety is ignored in favor of getting the job done, not to mention the amount of general stress and anxiety it puts on employees which compounds errors. One of my co-workers passed away last year, about a year after he received a terminal diagnosis. Would them setting up care programs/food deliveries/etc. Also, if you act like its no big deal that you start out with a co-worker housemate, then it will also be no big deal when one of you decides to move on. I definitely felt a lot of guilt leaving my team members and my manager (who was a really good boss and did a lot to protect us from the worst stuff going on above him), but at the end of the day, I realized its not my responsibility to stay in a bad job. I didnt get the chance to do the same with my aunt, who had a very similar experience, but different levels of physical and emotional strength. Actually, the kinds of memory testing done with dementia patients is far less gotcha-ish, and focuses far more on things that people SHOULD be expected to remember the fact that an interviewer for a lama grooming operation in Albuquerque was once a an interpretive dancer in Scotland does NOT qualify. in cities like NYC, Boston, DC. (None of whom were actual lawyers btw. This is not the time for perfection, and youll need some room for a bit of breath. Memories are notoriously nebulous and can depend a lot on external and environmental factors. Ask me what you told me 10 minutes ago, and unless it relates to something I already know I will stare at you blankly (this includes your name, annoyingly). All super normal things, just not something I personally want to do :D. This was exactly my reading of it, largely because I come from a similar background and my mother tried SO hard to convince me to move into an all-women dorm in college (vs a dorm where genders were separated by floor). Due to it being the time of COVID, she told her subordinates during a teams meeting and the rest of the department with an email immediately after. Even if it is just recall with the mind, writing things down is a good way to enhance that. Also, is there any need to tell HR that were living together? This. It comes in handy. Teaching was her passion, so keeping that in her life, even as her life was drawing to a close, was important to her. If there are professional or volunteer organizations that youve been meaningfully involved in, this might be a time to make a donation or send an email of thanks. Talk to any outside support that you have. I just delivered a few fiery yet eloquently worded diatribes, both in speech and writing, and honestly, I dont regret any of it. So interesting! Going out of the way to use UK slang while in the US because it sounds better or more accurate is just odd. One byproduct of his illness was the cancer awareness message to get a colonoscopy when you hit 50. And no competent lawyer relies on her memory for those details. Do you want to go part-time at some point? Do you want work to be a zone where you dont need to discuss your health? Blanket terms are useful when you dont want to or cant go into a ton of detail. I kept in contact with my supervisor, and I told them when it took longer, and when my condition turned from terminal to chronic. Spend them while I could. But why would they try to hide their living situation like that? I cant say for sure but it seems that this planning enables the person to get what they need from others by communicating proactively. She had been doing this with all members of our team. I came in, looked around and thought why arent we checking each others work? Not 100% duplicating everything, but just checking for some common errors that popped up regularly (I had worked previously in the group that was taking that computer data and turning it into routers, so I knew some of the most common/expensive errors that were likely to get through). Im in month 18 of treatment and 3-months out from my first surgery for the tumor. Would it have been reasonable to ask her to move this discussion to one-on-one? :). Of course, do say to your boss that if they feel that you are actually not handling work at any future point, that they should feel fine to have an open and truthful chat about that. 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