Beths example hit home with me (literally): Ive done numerous things similar to her husband, and my wife has reacted as Beth. Clevinger and four relievers combined on Chicago's fourth shutout, Tim Anderson scored a run and drove in one, and the Chicago White Sox beat the Detroit Tigers 3-0 on Friday. Accept That Misunderstandings Happen In Life It can often feel so annoying when your husband misinterprets everything because you think he's doing it on purpose. Does that make sense? The laziest route is always the most selfish route. IMO the point in Beths example was the husband didnt consider to ask a quick question about what kind of tree would be there. Our 29th wedding anniversary was last August. Of his 49 starts at Class AAA, 22 have come at shortstop, 15 at second base, 11 at third base . GottmanFan is really on to something here with the leveling up metaphor which entails putting all the childish BS aside and focusing on Adulting. Its beyond unfair to you, and I hope your life now feels healthier, and that you feel seen, considered, respected by those you choose to spend time with. I have sympathy for men that they think in terms of not wanting to be a bad man. Thank you. What does it mean when a man gets defensive? What I did was put my energy into defending myself. June 3, 2023 2:59 PM PDT. To me (and perhaps my comments are not expressing clearly what I am trying to say) I am not disagreeing with the crux of your good people can be bad spouses theme. They cant trust us to not make THEIR pain about US. He needs endless attention, yet nothing she does makes him happy. Marriage is a partnership that is built on mutual love and affection. But it is a mind set, and I think socially one that girls are taught from a young age, not boys. The invalidating/validating is downstream from the root issue imho. And then she doesnt have the skills to know how to respond to that and it builds from there. But if you focus and learn and play cooperatively you level up. It ends up eroding largely, I think, because rather than growing tf up and working on Adulting, we embrace extended adolescence and its attendant confusions. That is commonly the WHY answer. It physically HURTS them to feel this or hear her and so they deflect, stonewall, get defensive and then focus on THEIR hurt. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. And building trust is the path. . Youre articles always gave me hope. Thats what I most often did in these moments. He said he had a rough week at work and gave me excuses to why its basically ok he hurt me and a sorry should take care of it. Even though it would have been useful to understand WHY something was hurting my wife so that I could cooperatively participate moving forward in her NOT feeling hurt by that same thing, I didnt invest any energy in trying to understand what had happened. Phillip Schofield said he has "lost everything" in the wake of his affair with a younger male colleague and told of a "catastrophic effect" on his mind. Sometimes, its simply our blind spots that were not working to eliminate. Maybe the daughter gets a ride to practice from a teammates parent, and maybe her husband prepares the meal, or orders takeout, or whatever. Otherwisepffft. People dont see it. Make it all about whether you are a good or bad person (commonly a good or bad man). I do think many men enter marriage with the idea that they are supposed to lead and make decisions, and they tend to make these without getting input from their wives. I understand that you feel like a well-intentioned person who has demonstrated sufficient evidence that you love your partner and have made many personal sacrifices on their behalf. Two sons, soon to be 8 and 6. Its about being an ADULT, which entails not only maturity in any given moment, but a tacit (at the very least) yet firm commitment to embracing that maturity, now and as any interpersonal relationship develops. This is how she lives her life every day. A few minutes into the drive I realized that he had been drinking. She is assigning bad faith to a situation where THERE IS NONE! But actually, they ARE hurting them (inadvertently) When a woman talks/cries about her hurt and upset, what her husband hears is: I cant do anything to help her, She thinks Im inadequate Nothing I ever do is right. However, if Im doing something that is hurting her; arguing that she needs to act like an adult while continuing to do the very thing that is hurting her is not going to end well. Ive been unusually busy of late, so my communication skills are likely compromised! They recognize relationships depend on giving up that kind of self protection so dissent can be navigated. . The husbands whole physiology changes so not only does he feel inadequate, but he also feels ATTACKED for BEING inadequate. Nowi get that a tree (20+ year thing) isnt the same as a 1 time meal choicenot the point. Im not at fault here. Classic narcissist move on his part. If the wife is upset a generous rather than a defensive response is leveling up. This applies to the guy planting the tree too. The hard thing imho is that most people marry people who have similar levels of relationship skills. I never would have planted a permanent tree without consulting him. It is very easy to point at her and say she isnt acting like an adult. And people get divorced. I think, if were stereotyping, wives implying their husbands are bad begets defensive responses (which make sense to me under those circumstances), and defensive responses always invalidate. It was more to point to the need for Adulting to occur in these matters in order to avoid a never ending cycle of validation/perceived invalidation, et al. And both people put up with stuff too long because they dont know how to deal with it well. She didnt leave because shes mean or selfish or wanted to hurt me. 1. My son has asked me to help him drive down to Uni with his stuff which I am more than happy to do. Or picked out bath towels? Wondering why Im still here. Speaking for myself though, I need to be careful not to use that as an excuse to ignore things that Im doing that hurt my wife. Ah. I can tell you that in business, we are expected to make decisions based on what we believe is best, and it is perceived as weakness to constantly be checking with others before making a decision. The first way we make everything about us takes place during our conversations. I agree that its a system and it feeds off each other. But I like to learn and do better. I don't know what to do in this situation but I do know I'd like things to be entirely about me sometimes. You are so much better off without that in your life. The impact is open to interpretation. It was January 2016. Im really sorry you lived through it. Understandable that you are a bad player. I hope I never have to. Anger. This is what it looks and feels like when someone experiences pain, and then when trying to recruit their partner to help them not feel hurt anymore, the partner makes the situation about themselves. 29 For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would . Schwartz said during a Wednesday, June 7 appearance on the podcast When Reality Hits with Jax and Brittany. But the truth is, every day of your lives, your partner is perpetually mindful of how their actions impact you. Dont we as men HURT, too? That work is well above my pay grade. It was a miracle as you know how hard it is to repair the horrendous damage a divorce does to so many relationships. beg, plead, cajole, cry to show their husbands how theyre feeling and it gets them nowhere, in fact its worse than nowhere. I dunno.i dont see where stuff like this will EVER endand its the why so many folks are saying the hell with marriage, etc. These people can be women just as much as they can be men. Kessinger, who was a shortstop at Mississippi, has played all over the infield in the minor leagues. No matter how insignificant that decision might seem. I'll be the first to admit that it takes a lot of guts for a man to admit how he is feeling, so take it from me: John Gray of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus said his wife was home after a very difficult birth which she was still recovering from and then the baby became very fractious. Then you learn what other moves are available to you and learn how to do them (also more upleveling). Much easier to type correctly and I think it makes the style differences clear of why its difficult to navigate. Criminal behavior. fighting word. However, being in a more liberal community and working with people who have a wide range of life experiences and self expression I dont run into that as much. I would try to explain that you can validate someones feelings without agreeing. I cant help a bad person become good. But I have to trust the person I choose to have a relationship with to define the boundary. But maybe youre failing to consider the blind spot part of it. But that isnt necessarily the reality. 4. Really hits home. My new book released on March 22, 2022. It makes sense that you can't stop thinking about him because he piques your interest. If both can work out a system where categories are agreed upon to use interdependence (like big financial decisions or what to have for dinner or what to plant in the yard) and categories for independence (like one person handles the finance, one the cooking, one the tree planting decisions) then its all good too. I do see and hear you now in a way I wasnt able to years ago. But the back & forth has the potential to be never ending. by the way. So, it feels particularly unfair and gutting to hear suggestions to the contrary from the person youve given the most to. Where and how does the Principle of Charity come into play? Thank you so much for the kind words and for sharing your story, Debbie. Then when I would get depressed and angry because my social needs werent being met, he would tell me how simple it was to just pick a time and go out with my friends. You said: It becomes a soul-sucking endeavor when ppl are so hyper-focused on all these psychological states and how they come into conflict with one another.. It feels *quite disrespectful* to have a unilateral decision made for you without your input I can assure you. Embarrassment. This means that he values the time with you more than anything else and that he doesn't want to risk losing your attention by chatting with anyone else. Its also adolescent. When the pain is emotional, and stemming from a relationship, it makes sense for one partner to say something to the other partner. When we think like that its not so threatening when someone one acknowledge we have good intentions or we are good or not like those really bad people. If they feel x then the other person feels y and the goal is to feel understood and acknowledged. He feeds the victimization narrative, and it has been successful for him." See the comments below or at the link here. He makes me laugh, and I care about him Sign up for my weekly-ish email newsletter to get my latest writing. In fact, his intentions were likely good. No longer able to hold my tongue, I told him that it made me feel badly that hed already been drinking and that hed failed to make a reservation for our anniversary dinner because it demonstrated a lack of care, that I wasnt important, etc. You are making it about how it makes you feel AND giving him the coaching to do better in the future. After recognizing that defensiveness was his go-to reaction I asked, How can I bring things to you so you can hear me? I kid you not, his response was You should only bring me valid concerns.. The generosity cannot consistently be one sided or things go downhill over time. I should have told him to take me home, but I didnt. Many thanks! I understand in a way I never would have in my marriage how meaningful that is. As in, he's purely attracted to your appearance. One, or the other, or both, remain adolescent. I cant help a bad person become good. I think where many of these things go off the rails is what is said is you are a bad/selfish/whatever person. I dont know what to say other than Im sorry. Ditto for household supplies like bath towels and the daily grind of determining each family members needs and preferences and what to make for dinner. When you start playing a new video game you dont have a lot skills yet. Let it go. My life is infinitely better now. Even men use this this term to describe other men who are inconsiderate. Flip this around Beth: imagine if your husband felt invalidated every time you made dinner without consulting him. I'm taking a break from Tom right now, I . He doesnt care about you, your feelings, or even your actual safety. Ideally both will do this but if you choose a new move at least it disrupts the defaults for the spouse to be presented with a nee option to respond. 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